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The Dynasty of the Second Switch
Friday, July 24, 2020

Proposal: I guess the votes are counting themselves now [Core, Appendix]

Illegal, as the account named Admin is not a Designer, active or otherwise. –Tantusar

Adminned at 24 Jul 2020 17:52:41 UTC

Under rule 1.4.1 Votes, change the first two paragraphs to this:

Each Designer may cast one Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the Official Post that comprises that Votable Matter with the Vote field set to FOR, AGAINST, or DEFERENTIAL. Additional Vote field values may be permitted in some cases by other rules. A valid Vote is, except when otherwise specified, a Vote of FOR or AGAINST. A Designer’s Vote on a Votable Matter is the vote field value that they have most recently used in any comment on that Votable Matter. Additionally, if the author of a Votable Matter has not voted in a comment to the post, then the author’s Vote is FOR. A non-Designer never has a Vote, even if they were a Designer previously and had cast a valid Vote.

If a Designer other than the Lead Developer casts a vote of DEFERENTIAL, then the Vote of DEFERENTIAL is an indication of confidence in the Lead Developer. When the Lead Developer has a valid Vote other than VETO on a Votable Matter, then all votes of DEFERENTIAL on that Votable Matter are instead considered to be valid and the same as the Lead Developer’s Vote for the purposes of other rules unless otherwise specified.

Throughout the Ruleset, the capitalization of Vote field values may differ from that used on the actual comment Vote field; these capitalization differences shall be considered irrelevant.

Change rule 1.5.1 Special Proposal Voting to this:

When a Designer casts a vote AGAINST their own Proposal (which is not in the form of a DEFERENTIAL vote), this renders the Proposal Self-Killed, even if the author later changes their Vote. The Lead Developer may make a vote of VETO on a Proposal; when the Lead Developer casts a vote of VETO on a Proposal, this renders the Proposal Vetoed, even if the Lead Developer later changes their Vote.

In the Appendix, under 4.1 Keywords, delete the entry for Voting Icons.

In the Appendix, under 4.2 Gamestate Tracking, change the second sentence of the second paragraph to this:

An official post may be altered by its author if it is less than two hours old and either no Designer has commented on it or (if it is a Votable Matter) if all comments on it contain no votes; otherwise this can only be done as allowed by the Ruleset.

There is now a Vote field on comments to register your official vote! They are automatically counted and tallied at the top of the comment thread. There is also a “Good flavour” checkbox. Votes are grayed out if the user posted a later comment with a vote. Every comment has a class of evc or not-evc for any further processing anyone wants to do. You can see how this looks on this post.

The counting looks at whether a comment author is Active or Idle before counting a comment’s vote. But it does not yet account for the immutability of vetoes and self-kills, nor does it count proposal authors’ tacit FOR votes, nor does it automatically tally DEFERENTIAL based on the Emperor’s vote. These improvements are possible but will come “later”.

  • Admin
  • 24 Jul 2020 · 12:06:58 UTC
  • 4 Comments
  • Core, Appendix

4 Responses

  1. Kevan says:
    for

    (Casting an invalid vote while idle to see – and test – how that shows up. Would it actually be possible to catch that at the comment entry point, and replace the drop-down with a reminder that I can’t vote while idle?)

    Do we still need the clickable icons at this point? Does WordPress regard them as votes in any way, or are they just there so that we can talk about voting? It risks being confusing – particularly for new players – if it’s possible to generate things which look like votes but aren’t.

    (I’ll throw in an :against: here to see how that looks and what becomes of it.)

    How much of the voting process does the tally system recognise at present? It was mentioned on Slack that it doesn’t (yet) know who the Emperor is. Does it know who the proposer was, and flag self-kills accordingly?

    The capitalisation clause feels like a more general rule (one for the Spelling appendix?) than something vote specific.

  2. Kevan says:

    Not sure where to find the code for this, but it’d be nice if the “Kevan says” line became “Kevan votes” (or “voted” if it’s been CoV’d) when there was a vote attached to a comment.

  3. Zyborg says:
    for

    This is progress!

  4. Tantusar says:

    This Proposal is probably :illegal: . Admin is not a player, 75th Trombone is.

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